My considerations on the (best) 348 challenge.

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Re: My considerations on the (best) 348 challenge.

Post by Robin348C » Wed 16. Aug 2017, 15:55

Liuck420 wrote:
Wed 16. Aug 2017, 12:35
what's better then this?
front 348 Ts challenge first ever n°#12 A.Marasco (aka J.Wayne)
rear 348 TB Challenge Championship Winner over all n° #3 R.Ragazzi

was 1993 , i think in MONZA

enjoy ;)

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Thanks Luca! Very nice. Strangely though the car number 12 seems a bit different than the other pictures (black roof and under skirts instead of yellow?)
ACS wrote:
Wed 16. Aug 2017, 15:28
Great shot! A picture with true patina. Interesting is that #12 is a TS. Would be interesting to learn how it got homologated and as a matter of fact the factory challenge cars were always TBs.
There are many TS CHallenges in Europe, as European challenge cars were typically not factory challenge cars, but factory TB & TS cars then converted to challenge by an officially supplied factory challenge kit. This was requested officially requested to Ferrari S.p.a by the Dutch Ferrari Club to start a racing series based on street cars. Originally they requested to race F40's but this was rejected by Ferrari, who in turn proposed to race the 348's.

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Re: My considerations on the (best) 348 challenge.

Post by SoCalTim » Wed 16. Aug 2017, 16:59

We have 13 348 Challenge TS here in the USA, all 1994 model year

Year Serial Number Body Series Number
1 1993 95000 TB
2 1994 97869 TB 21 of 32
3 1994 97905 TB
4 1994 97938 TB
5 1994 97965 TB 9 of 32
6 1994 97985 TB 24 of 32
7 1994 98076 TS 1 of 13
8 1994 98096 TB
9 1994 98106 TS
10 1994 98126 TB 25 of 32
11 1994 98159 TS
12 1994 98176 TS 8 of 13
13 1994 98188 TS 4 of 13
14 1994 98179 TB 2 of 32
15 1994 98247 TB
16 1994 98248 TB
17 1994 98389 TS
18 1994 98399 TB 4 of 32
19 1994 98414 TS
20 1994 98431 TS 10 of 13
21 1994 98432 TB
22 1994 98452 TB 5 of 32
23 1994 98466 TS 12 of 13
24 1994 98487 TS 2 of 13
25 1994 98498 TB 10 of 32
26 1994 98541 TS
27 1994 98578 TB 6 of 32
28 1994 98591 TB 11 of 32
29 1994 98671 TB 8 of 32
30 1994 98731 TB 1 of 32
31 1994 98735 TS 4 of 13
32 1994 98767 TB 12 of 32
33 1994 98791 TB 26 of 32
34 1994 98806 TB
35 1994 98831 TB 3 of 32
36 1994 98843 TB 18 of 32
37 1994 98855 TB
38 1994 98856 TB
39 1994 98857 TB 30 of 32
40 1994 98858 TB 28 of 32
41 1994 98906 TB
42 1994 ????? TB MISSING
43 1994 ????? TB MISSING
44 1994 ????? TB Missing
45 1994 98451 TS 11 of 13

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Re: My considerations on the (best) 348 challenge.

Post by F355CH » Wed 16. Aug 2017, 17:54

How many raced?

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Re: My considerations on the (best) 348 challenge.

Post by Liuck420 » Wed 16. Aug 2017, 18:20

It's really great to read so many information about this , guys, thank you :)

I bring you back what I know:

The Yellow TS challenge #12 (1992 Italian GT series #9) was the first convert ,when the official challenge did not exist ,and the 348 did not run in any championship. It's a TS because the owner bought it so from SA.MO.CAR in Rome, and since he was already a pilot in other categories and with other cars, he wanted to make the "madness" of converting his 348 Ts into a racing car.
I have the roll-bar assembly photos, fitted and welded in the car, slightly different from what was then the definitive one of the KIT sold by ferrari in 1993. (and in some photos in the race, you can notice the sloping cross otherwise)

Coming to, how many TS were built in italy:

We start from the fact that as specified by @ Robin348c, the first 348challenge were the Italian ones, and were not cars produced by Ferrari in racing mood, but it was the 348 base, which was equipped with official Ferrari kits when owner GENTLEMAN, or TEAM wanted to participate to the challenge championship.
The Kit was included in the total cost of the season along with various gadgets (bags, helmet, jacket etc.).
You can still see at today,the registration form to be completed on the last page of the "technical regulations" 348challenge booklet.

The number of 348 TS challenges, in 1993 I think it was 5/6 (1993 Italian championship, the very first).

I knew from former 348ch Drivers, who in 1993, just released the news of the 348challenge championship, many GENTLEMAN-born riders and also official TEAMs then wanted to participate. But TB cars were "over" and those who did not want to wait for TBs to deliver, and they took TSs to start competing right away, quickly.

Rumors say that the TS for obvious reasons was not good and fast, initially, like TBs. This is due to obvious technical speeches, tilt twist and weight.
Many also tried absurd solutions, such as welding hard-top ...

However, this was denied the following year, because winning the championship was the 348 TS challenge # 22 led by Sandro Malucelli.
(Visible online photo)

This is what I know, and I can tell you to this day.
TS challenges did little at first, then in the German and US championships, increased in the following years.

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Re: My considerations on the (best) 348 challenge.

Post by SoCalTim » Wed 16. Aug 2017, 20:46

F355CH wrote:
Wed 16. Aug 2017, 17:54
How many raced?
Mine is

1994 98451 TS 11 of 13

It did racing most it's life in scca type stuff not much ferrari series as far as I know.
Had 8k miles when I got it couple years ago

Have all the challenge parts except OEM cage however an upgraded 355 cage was fitted.
Now its in street trim as I use it as a driver here in SOCal
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Re: My considerations on the (best) 348 challenge.

Post by F355CH » Wed 16. Aug 2017, 21:40

Looks great, like the colour

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Re: My considerations on the (best) 348 challenge.

Post by Robin348C » Wed 16. Aug 2017, 22:31

Great stuff Luca, thanks.

I guess no. 12's roof & skirts were painted yellow at some point. Nice to know which is the first Challenge!
SoCalTim wrote:
Wed 16. Aug 2017, 20:46

Have all the challenge parts except OEM cage however an upgraded 355 cage was fitted.
Now its in street trim as I use it as a driver here in SOCal
I know what you mean... :D Mine was also converted back to a 'normal' TS (and only then registered for road usage), except small things (pedals, engine cut off, front tow hook, naca ducts etc.) that remained. When it got in my hands I started to convert it back to 348C. But no OEM roll cage. Had my roll cage rebuilt according to the 348C Technical specifications & installation manual. Also only one seat.

Compared to my Porsche Boxster Spyder the 348C really doesn't drive 'well', but it's a great pleasure and lots of fun to drive. I have it stored close to the Nurburgring, and frequently drive it there. Also Spa-Francorchamps, Zandvoort.

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Re: My considerations on the (best) 348 challenge.

Post by Liuck420 » Thu 17. Aug 2017, 00:17

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Robin348C wrote:
Wed 16. Aug 2017, 22:31
Great stuff Luca, thanks.

I guess no. 12's roof & skirts were painted yellow at some point. Nice to know which is the first Challenge!
The 348 ch yellow #12 now have roof and skirt in yellow because some people and team painted these part like cars color to seems more racing and more nice to see.
All TS had roof and skirts black when was new, exit from Ferrari. More and more people painted like car. Only with gtb gts exit the cars were made total color from their born.

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Re: My considerations on the (best) 348 challenge.

Post by Robin348C » Thu 17. Aug 2017, 00:23

Interesting!

I used to have a red 348TS with black roof. When I sold it, the new owner also immediately painted the skirts red. We all have our preferences!

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Re: My considerations on the (best) 348 challenge.

Post by challenger24 » Thu 17. Aug 2017, 11:35

Monza Starting Grid 1993
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